New Square Loan in 2024

[SPPhotography1]

I’m at a bit of a loss for what else I need to do to be offered a new Square Loan at this point. I’ve been with Square for over 10 years, had 7 loans now that I’ve have paid back early every single time. Metrics are all in green, record sales year. In 2023, record numbers across the board, no refunds, no complaints or issues of any kind in our entire history. Current loan is 80% paid off, but no new offer in site. This is the kind of stuff that causes businesses to find someone else to process through! Please help! I’m sure I’ll get the same old excuses that you guys send to everyone about looking at every aspect of the business. But there isn’t a single aspect that isn’t way up. I’m not sure if there is a new process they are using now, or if there is some kind of issue with my banking or something else I’m not thinking about or aware of. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, because I could really use some new capital to start the year off with and reinvest into my business!

[Stacelyn24 · Accepted solution]

I'm really sorry to hear about your frustration with the loan offers. I understand how important it is to feel valued, especially as a loyal customer. Let me try to address your concerns and provide some clarity.

Loan Offers and Qualification Parameters

Square’s loan offers are based on a variety of factors, and while past trends have shown offers at certain thresholds, the exact parameters can change over time and are not always disclosed in detail. Here are a few points to consider:

• Dynamic Criteria: Square uses a complex set of algorithms that take into account not just the repayment percentage but also your recent sales history, account health, and overall business performance.
• Market Conditions: External market conditions and internal policy changes can also impact when and how loan offers are extended.

Value Beyond Transaction Fees

I understand that a 3% card transaction fee can seem high compared to other providers, but Square offers several features and benefits that help justify this cost:

• Integrated Ecosystem: Square provides a comprehensive suite of tools that work seamlessly together, from point-of-sale systems to online stores, invoicing, and inventory management.
• Ease of Use: The user-friendly interface and intuitive design make managing your business simpler and more efficient, saving you time and reducing the need for extensive training.
• Reliable Support: Square offers robust customer support and resources to help you resolve issues quickly and keep your business running smoothly.
• Secure Transactions: Advanced security measures protect your business and customers from fraud and data breaches.
• Analytics and Reporting: Detailed analytics and reporting tools help you understand your business performance and make informed decisions.

I understand the disappointment regarding the loan offer, please know that Square regularly reviews its criteria and your status. I recommend reaching out to Square’s customer support for a more personalized review of your account and to express your concerns directly.

[TheRealChipA · Accepted solution]

Good news, bad news, eh @cmeshine.  There are a number of reasons that COULD be part of why your new offer was lower.

1. Square might be slowing down on how much loan exposure they want to have on their balance sheet.  They are, after all, a publicly traded company that has to answer to their shareholders and investors.
2. If our sales are flat or at least not growing at a good rate to cover inflation and higher interest, then Square’s algorithm understands that inflation is eating into our available cash to pay bills, etc.  Flat sales (or very slowly growing sales) are always red flags to lenders, Square or not.
3. Sometimes how long it takes us to pay off our current loans can be a factor.  Let’s say that previous loans were paid off with automatic payments in 8-10 months in the past.  But for this current loan it took us 12-15 months.  That tells Square that our card processing volume can’t keep you with higher loan amounts.  Yes, they give us 18 months to fully pay a loan, but they obviously prefer that we pay them off closer to the 12 month mark.
4. If our cash/card ratio drastically changes, and cash spikes or is consistently higher than historical for our business, that is another red flag.  Since Square must only consider card volume when calculating repayment rates this can become a problem.

Of course, I’m not saying that any of these contributed to your lower offer.  I’m just throwing out a few reasons why this CAN happen.

[Twpchair · Accepted solution]

Congratulations! I am sorry it's lower than expected but you are correct about daily swiping vs not. That's one of the metrics. I'm retail furniture and I process daily. If 90.00 or 900.00 a swipe is a swipe and they each add up at the end of the day. Hopefully, the next offer will go up! I don't know if the algorithm picks up how your business processes I hope it will or maybe that's something that should be addressed to square. You are not alone and a big market for venues and events. The same goes for contractors who send out invoices and how fast the customer pays. Congratulations on at least getting one and thanks for the update and details about it.

[Twpchair · Accepted solution]

Hello, I apologize I've tried 3-4 to reply, and the boom screen locks up, then under maintenance. Not a good few days on here! When I get to your percentage especially, if I run a sale Thurs-Sun and do 10% off storewide, I use Facebook and Google for this. They are powered tools and are free. I take loads of pictures and post a few times a day with sneak peeks of new arrivals, older furniture, floor models, etc, with further markdown. Our business neighbors have a doughnut and bakery store. I usually get 20-25.00 worth of baked goods and now I would do hot cider and coffee. They or we give each other deals. I post the events that going on. Coloring contest for the kids, pumpkin coloring contest. A gift certificate live drawing on Saturday. All week prior I posted daily on both and boosted some of the posts for 9.95 for 5 days usually in a 100-mile radius and these women came. Last Saturday we tripled to very close to 4x our busiest day. I spent roughly 60-75.00 dollars. It jumps you up and in sales and this is just imo that boost kicks in something in the algorithm again imo. I went back and looked and 85% of my offers were Saturday night usually 7-10 pm after I updated. Thurs is another day again I have done Monday -Wed early bird specials and it kicks it in. I'm retail furniture and it is a little easier to do sales and deals than other industries. Just don't forget the power of free advertising for myself 95% of my first customers are women and then they bring in their spouses. Good luck, I hope you have received a loan offer by now! Hopefully, all the bugs will be worked out.

[Twpchair · Accepted solution]

Oh, yes! You do not need to meet your 60 days or whatever your minimum payment is. I have many times after I my minimum payment was meet and only paid a couple more days received an offer. After 12 years you kinda pick up the big do’s and don’t. I meet my minimum amount way ahead of time but definitely meet that! If not that means their last offer was too big for you to handle. 2. Try not to do too many, especially in a 4 mth-6 mths span of multiple refunds, and disputes. We have a zero return policy and our furniture already has a warranty and the rest we take care of in house. Those disputes and refunds trigger a person to physically do it and investigate why, who, and what type of thing and then back and forth with card company. The rest are important to stay green but I have been offered loans when one of metrics said needs works. So have many others. But definitely, if you have a slower period or a week or 2 of cash and checks. Just watch one or two big transitions will eat that up. I'm retail furniture so I see a week of cash or checks and then boom all cards. Keep swiping away what line of business are you in? Whenever I run a good 3-day sale on Thurs -Sat. And if I am around 70%ish. Usually, Saturday night it triggers an offer. Just lucky, coincidence? I don't know 100% not with an algorithm but I can pay down over 20% of a loan in 3 days it's triggering something to look at. I have done it before at 13% of my loan paid off and nope not happening. But in the 70s I have had it more often than not. But, like I said it is not a guarantee and honestly nothing is without a human connection. All POS systems use an algorithm type system that picks off or triggers something to look at it. 

[Lynix123 · Accepted solution]

Thank you for being here and answering everybody’s question. 
We got an offer at 95% yesterday but it’s only 20%of my current loan. Do you know anybody did not accepted loan and got another loan offer. How long it takes to update to another offer. 
It’s our busiest season. I generate $5-10k everyday till Christmas. I hoping that will trigger bigger loan if I wait. Thank you again 

[coolcoffeecrumb]

So I got an offer last night.  Although I am happy to have one offered, it's an absolute slap in the face.  My last offer was a Sept 2023, $25k and only took $15k.  Paid off June 8th.  Last night they offered $3570? I mean sales have slowed down but are now just picking up.  Has anyone not taken a loan and then waited and gotten offered a bigger one?  I am a coffee shop/bakery.

[Bonzy2010]

wow...that's barely over 1/5 the previous haven't seen one that much lower vs a previous loan

[Twpchair]

I have, and honestly It was mind baffling. The new offer only covered the 21% he owed?? So if he took it he received zero money and paid off the balance 🤔 that one I've never seen before.

[Twpchair]

Ughhhhh, I can say congrats, and unfortunately, I cut it short like your offer smh. OK, let's get this rolling. Yes, I don't take every single offer. Maybe go 50/50. Now, this is me and my situation only OK because we are all different OK. Yeah, years ago, I could say I  would receive an offer and not take it, and depending on the first offer, I have received higher offers, and a few were lower. Lately, in the couple of years, if I don't accept it at first, I have received offers, but for myself, only none were larger they stayed the same or lowered it. Again, that has been my experience. The next person might have a totally different experience, though. Myself, I like to see multiple people commenting on their experiences in this area. Just sharing information and experiences might help someone else. But again I'm retail furniture and unfortunately how I process, how much is new/returning customers etc. We truly are different from each and every one else. Good luck truly, and I know it's hard and stressful. This is your busy time. You will be processing more and could probably pay that back pretty fast. Is this that moment when they say welcome to owning your own business 🤔 😕 Keep us posted if you don't mind. I'm curious to see if that offers and that you take it and pay it quickly if that triggers one soon after that 🤔 

[DaphySomm]

I got an offer of 8200 last week. I chose not to take via advice from these threads to wait for a larger offer. My offer dropped to 6950. I called in Monday to ask what happened and was told nothing was wrong and there was no reason why the offer was lower. I processed more, am all in green. I also noticed the repayment rate significantly higher than ever. I was warned if I do not take this offer another one may not come through or may be even lower. 

[Jjpainting]

Yeah this is just ridiculous. Just out of curiosity, your last offer of $25k, was that offer much higher than the previous.  My 4th loan offer last November was almost double the previous one, then when my 5th offer came last month, it was cut in half back to the amount of my 3rd offer and I’ve noticed that most of the comments on here, from who just recently received an offer and it was much lower, was the same scenario as me. I’m already 30% paid on my current loan and only one month into it. 

[Robgrey]

Currently @ 79% paid back in just under 6 months.  Waiting for my next offer!!!

[Twpchair]

Good luck!!! We have a great business waiting that gave this little thread a name...Loanerville 😆 🤣 😂 it fits perfectly! Welcome back 

[PFS36]

This is crazy that everyone is waiting so long. I'm at 91% all green and still no offer. 

[Twpchair]

No, I've never seen this many paid off or the higher % that I remember. I still watch all the other pos forums, and they are stating the same thing. One, I believe (don't hold me to it), I believe, called Stripe their user were livid when they updated their loan policies and added borrow and / or co-signer if needed. Apparently, it wasn't there before going off of their comments. So lenders are still holding tight.

[Fromwithin]

Mine was paid off 2 months ago… everything is green, still no offer ugh

[Twpchair]

Ughhhhh, I am so sorry. Unfortunately, you are not alone 😢 I hope things start moving soon! 

[Robgrey]

Update update update. 

I received my new offer yesterday at 79%

My previous loan was 100k paid back 79% in right at 6 months.

Sales and processing were way up and this offer was $106,000 k my daily percentage went down to 18.5 from 20%

I accepted offer and was approved and deposited today.

Should have this paid back by the same percentage around the first of the year.  Square is still actively lending. They are just choosing who to loan to and how often.

Good luck and happy processing everyone!

[PFS36]

Congratulations 🎊 a lot of are pulling for Keto to get one, soon!

[Jjpainting]

Congrats on the loan. Mind me asking how much you have processed this past year (by that I mean previous 52 weeks)

[Robgrey]

So this latest one I did 857k on offer 106 k and my last offer was 707k processing and loan was 100k. 

I thought the increase should’ve been more but then they lowered the repayment rate. It’s just a computer AI making the decision?? 

[Jjpainting]

thanks for the info. I just like to know others loan amounts based off a percentage of sales. It looks like you’re between 12-14%. My fourth loan was my highest as based of sales at 11%. My current fifth loan is a whopping 4.2% based off my sales with sales increasing from 128k to 150k between offers. My repayment went from 17.25% down to 12.5%. 

[Twpchair]

Hello, I think I saw your post earlier about waiting to see if you can get a higher offer by waiting? Unfortunately, from all I've seen, they have gone down, or no other offer came at all. You went back into the lottery drawing or algorithm. My last 3 offers lower than 1k higher, and the last one double the previous. Since last June, when I really started to watch the trends, maybe a handful had a significant increase, that's it. Either the same as before or less. Good luck, and let us know if you don't take it, and you don't mind to say hey wow it went down even more or up. It is your personal information, but it does help others know. Hmm, maybe I better not wait or ok. Let's roll the dice. Good luck to you in whatever way you go! BTW, way to kick some butt this summer and painting like crazy! Definitely, getting it done congrats to that

[GlitzyCow]

That is still good. I process more than you and only got a 47k offer. I was happy that the repayment came way down though. 

[Robgrey]

I don’t think they base the offer just on processing. I keep a ton in savings folders. I think it’s based on many things AI 

[Twpchair]

You are correct! They have shareholders to answer to, the market, the economy, the Feds, and interest rates all play into as well. But, all of the above has started to mellow out and maintain pretty steady. The Feds indicated they aren't raising rates, and that makes lenders feel better to open up a little more. Hopefully, offers can come up some and more going out!